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It does seem Rep. Kelly efforts are to shift state money to support private schools. Another effort at a two tiered system in our state. What we cannot afford are two systems for K–12 education. Let’s seek to make our current system better not dismantle it by sending state money over to a private educational system. Report Reply 0 replies · active 210 weeks ago 0 Vote up Vote down Skeptic · 210 weeks ago While most teachers simply assert “they teach every child” nothing is farther from the truth. Simply put, in the current public education system, class room size has shrunk from the 26 to 28 students per class (when I grew up in K-12) without para help to 12-16 kids per class with one or more paras. The fact remains that 10-20% of children will promptly finish assignments/homework because of proper parenting, teachers then are actually required to address the remaining. They do excellent work with the remaining 50-60% who actually are willing to do hard work and actually learn. This leaves approximately 20% that will always fight authority in classroom, never complete assignments, and become a burden to the world. Anyone can adjust the percents accordingly, but the fact remains simply throwing money at education has not produced tangible results. Many of these children are no longer held back but simply passed along so another teacher has to deal with the problem. If the state was required to fund home schooled children as well as privately school children at the same levels as public schools receive per child, it would force the public education system in Kansas to take a serious look at funding. The funding already exists, it is sitting there for public educated children. It would likely force more money to the teachers who are actually doing the job of educating rather than new facilities or administration. All that should be asked of public educators is to shut off the computers/internet/notepads and actually teach. I have always wondered what grade a teacher gives when an assignment is given for homework and students use the internet while not knowing if complete and false information was used to write the paper? Is it an “A” for effort or “F” for total worthless homework assignment? Report Reply 4 replies · active 210 weeks ago -2 Vote up Vote down Ted “Theodore” Logan · 210 weeks ago If you are going to use statistics, please include a link. Also know that properly funding something is not necessarily “throwing money at it”. Your points are all over the map, and pose no solution (other than, of course, ‘privatization is the only answer’) Public schools are doing as well as they ever have. Another Brownback/Koch “experiment” is definitely not the answer to a question that isn’t even being asked correctly. You’re not being skeptical, you’re being ultra-conservative. Report Reply 0 Vote up Vote down Skeptic · 210 weeks ago Really Ted, you might want to attend a graduation in high school and see exactly who is in the top 10 to 20% of the graduating class. I know their parents for the most part, and how dedicated they are to their child’s education. Public schools are not doing as well as ever, even the beloved Anita Judd-Jenkins rated them as “Average” in the survey on Eagle-Beacon or other survey. Any child who attends public schools, the school district is allocated funding from Educational Appropriations from taxes collected by the state. If a parent actually wants their child to attend any form of other school, they should be allowed to receive that funding in same amounts. And yes, the Kansas Constitution does not define funding amounts but rather says “the Legislators” determine the level of funding. That has now been usurp by the KSSC while violating the division of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches. Not being ultra-conservative, just wanting the best education for the children of anyone. By the way Ted, you might want to do your research and find out how much the lawyer who represented the school districts which sued over the past years. He does not work pro-bono! That was taxpayer money in his pocket rather than going to school funding. Report Reply +3 Vote up Vote down Skeptic · 210 weeks ago Mr. Logan-My opinion stated to adjust any figure you wanted, but that may have been a little to complicated for you. I did actually pose a solution somewhat, but you and the KNEA might not have liked it. I didn’t realize I was asking a question other than what grade does a teacher give to a student who does research incorrectly on the Internet and bases a written paper on such information. The 10-20%/50-60%/20% came directly from a 30+year teacher of 5th & 6th grade students in a large school district in an adjacent county. I was the one who ask this relative how the public school system was working, and she hugged me and cried when I actually asked. Maybe you can get the truth out of an honest teacher. Remember one thing: I am a veteran of Vietnam in the most excellent military intelligence (USASA) outfit, I did not resort to name or group association nor insults when I wrote my opinion. You did sir, and I have read your many diatribe remarks over the years in Newscow articles. While I am an extensive reader with the exception of the Koran or Mein Kamph, I did read a chapter in a book by Glen Beck which seems to fit you perfectly. It is titled “Arguing With Idiots”. I am conservative by all means being able to retire at age 57. Few Wellington high school graduates can say that. Any further discussion is worthless and ended from my viewpoint. Report Reply -1 Vote up Vote down Ted “Theodore” Logan · 210 weeks ago ” I did not resort to…insults when I wrote my opinion.” “that may have been a little to complicated for you.” Uh, you kinda did. ” I am a veteran of Vietnam” Not relevant in any way, try to stay on topic. “came directly from a 30+year teacher” Do you know what ‘sample size’ means? You solidified one of my points – your arguments are all over the place and unrelated. Taking what you (oh, and one teacher) perceive as a problem, and sprinting straight to the privatization ‘solution’, coupled with your random smattering of topics (what a lawyer charges?) shows you do not understand the Kochs or the public school classroom. – to answer your question – A good teacher teaches how to research, chunks the project to assess progress, and models and scaffolds to ensure the student is learning/demonstrating knowledge. Also – Why not read Mein Kampf? It’s kinda repetitive and boring, but a thought provoking insight. You’re done, I’m done too. (except “diatribe remarks’ is redundant) Report Reply +7 Vote up Vote down wellington pride · 210 weeks ago Why is it that they also want to cut money from schools and special ed, but never cut food stamps or welfare for people that are able to work but are to lazy to work. Yes I know there are people with disabilities or mental health issues that can not work and that’s fine, but there is a lot of people that get welfare that can work, Even if its picking up trash from roadways or city and state parks to earn there money. and quit giving farmers money for subsities or ect. to not grow a crop. Ok my rant is over Report Reply 0 replies · active 210 weeks ago +7 Vote up Vote down northsideresident · 210 weeks ago I would guess that’s because her son doesn’t attend public schools. Report Reply 0 replies · active 210 weeks ago +1 Vote up Vote down guest · 210 weeks ago Some decades ago, Wellington passed an opportunity to be the base for a new community college. A lot of older folks regret that the city missed that opportunity. That community college is Cowley County. Report Reply 0 replies · active 210 weeks ago Post a new comment Enter text right here! Comment as a Guest, or login: Login to IntenseDebate Login to WordPress.com Login to Twitter Go back Tweet this comment Connected as (Logout) Email (optional) Not displayed publicly. Name Email Website (optional) Displayed next to your comments. Not displayed publicly. If you have a website, link to it here. Posting anonymously. Tweet this comment Submit Comment Subscribe to None Replies All new comments Comments by IntenseDebate Enter text right here! Reply as a Guest, or login: Login to IntenseDebate Login to WordPress.com Login to Twitter Go back Tweet this comment Connected as (Logout) Email (optional) Not displayed publicly. Name Email Website (optional) Displayed next to your comments. Not displayed publicly. If you have a website, link to it here. Posting anonymously. Tweet this comment Cancel Submit Comment Subscribe to None Replies All new comments To the editor: Rep. Kasha Kelley, on her Facebook page discussing educational funding, starts by citing Kansas Association of School Boards legislative testimony last spring and a KASB research publication.Evidently, Rep. Kelley felt compelled to keep her answer short as compared to telling the whole story.She notes the KASB statement,Â “We have made it clear to our members and others state spending on schools is at a record high.”Â They then go on to say operating budgets “are shrinking” when inflation is factored in.So the question she sidesteps is, â€œWhat good is a level of spending, record or not, when it doesnâ€™t keep up with the costs of doing business?â€ Programs across the state have been and will continue to be cut under this model. Rep. Kelley is essentially sayingÂ schools, and their students, just need to make do with whatever the legislature appropriates regardless of whether it gets students to where they need to be or not.The second â€œincomplete storyâ€ is her assertion that Kansas follows only Alabama in the percentage of the state budget spent on education. She is partially correct in that Kansas schools get a high percentage of their money from the state, not local sources. Rep. Kelley is essentially saying this is bad policy. Do you agree? Do you want to see local property taxes at the pre-1991 level, which was the whole purpose of the school funding shift.But most importantly, she throws up this smoke screen to hide the fact Kansas is 27th â€” yes 27th â€”Â in revenue per pupil, almost 10 percent lower than the national average.The data cited here can be found atÂ http://tallmankasb.blogspot.com/2016/05/does-kansas-rank-third-in-funding-k-12.html. The sources for the different graphs are cited.And lastly, the real numbers simply donâ€™t support her assertion: â€œStudent population growth and teacher hiring increases are dwarfed through the years by growth in managerial and administrative positions and salaries.â€ Core support staff positions, which includes superintendents, have increased by 341 since 1998. Direct educators have increased by over 7,000. (It should be noted principals are in this category.Â Â Those positions have actually decreased by 53 in that time period.) SeeÂ https://www.dropbox.com/s/qj76sxlcod84662/School%20Staffing%20in%20Kansas%202016-05.pdf?dl=0The bottom line is that Rep. Kelley is very interested in shifting state resources to private schools that have little or no accountability to you, the taxpayer.Â Â By making incorrect and diversionary statements, she hopes to undermine support for public schools.Insist she tell the whole story.Sincerely,Cindy Blunk, USD #501 teacher, and South Haven Schools Teacherâ€™s Association representativeAmy Futhey, USD #360, Caldwell Schools School Board PresidentGage Overall, USD #360, Caldwell Schools Government Relations Representative and school board memberDavid Stinemetze, USD #470, teacher and past president of Arkansas City Teacherâ€™s AssociationMike Wilmoth, USD #353, social studies teacherFollow us on Facebook.Follow us on Twitter.